Picture Rotation?

[Derek Falzarano]

Hi Michael,

I have both a registered copy of YarcPlus and Archive Creator, thank you for two great programs I use almost daily. I may have missed something here, however, do you have any plans to include a picture rotation feature in AR? I usually rotate (portrait) all my raw files while I am in YP, however, when shot in .jpg mode you do not use YP. When I archive my photos I would like them to all be oriented in the correct direction. It would be nice to preview and rotate all in one application prior to archiving. I also use ThumbsPlus and have not been able to figure out a way to save them in the correct orientation, although I can view them correctly.

Regards,
-Derek

[MichaelT]

Because AC handles ALL file formats, we do not plan to include a rotation feature in the near term.

In ThumbsPlus, you can highlight the thumbs of the JPEGs that you wish to rotate and then hit Control-Left/Right Arrow (on the numeric pad) to losslessly rotate the files very quickly.

I hope that this helps..

[Derek Falzarano]

Michael,

Thanks for the quick reply. Thats what I have been doing in ThumbsPlus, however, I beleive that only effects the thumb and the pic for viewing. I am looking for a way to rotate the picture permantly for archiving in either a batch mode or one at a time.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks,
-Derek

[Derek Falzarano]

Okay, I have done some experimenting and here are my findings. I can rotate the photos in ThumbsPlus, refresh the directory in AC and the pictures are oriented in the correct position on the preview screen in AC. I then process and burn to cd. When you open the cd all the thumb nails that I rotated are now oriented in landscape when they should be portrait (just as the preview in AC shows it), however, when you click on the file button the full picture comes up correctly oriented.

Please advise.

Regards,
-Derek

[MichaelT]

Derek,

AC has an optimization that uses the JPEG embedded thumbnail as the AC thumbnail if it is available. I suspect that TP is not rotating the embedded Thumb of the JPEG that we are using.

As an experiment to confirm that this is what is happening in your situation, please try the same index but also set the Viewing Images to be created. In this case we do not use the embedded thumb of the JPEG and all should be OK with the AC thumbs.

Thanks. This will confirm if this is the cause of the non-rotated AC thumbs in your case..

[agavin]

Hello,

I am a registered AC user (and a ThumbsPlus user as well) and I have the same "rotated thumbnails" problem. I have both a D60 and a 10D and it only happens on images from the 10D (jpeg). I believe this is because the 10D has an orientation sensor and so its portrait images are tagged as such from the camera (in the EXIF data). I use ThumbsPlus to rotate them anyway because otherwise photoshop and other programs open them as they are in the file (incorrectly rotated). I turned on the viewing images and they are incorrectly rotated as well (the real file is correct). Thumbsplus does not change the orientation field when you rotate the images.

Are you using the EXIF orientation field to rotate the images for the thumbs and the viewing image? I would guess so from the observed results. If this is the case perhaps you should make this a check box option in the preferences. This sort of behavior is generally not desirable with JPEG's (until the day when all programs use the orientation field). However, with RAW it is "correct" because most the programs that deal with these do.

Thanks,
agavin

[Mohit]

I recently purchased AC, and am having the same problem with my 1D RAW (TIF) files. These files are rotated in YP, but the Index File created by AC v2 has all the images in landscape orientation - both thumbnails and the viewing image. Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Mohit

[MichaelT]

For those following along...

It turned out that Mohit had not installed the Canon SDK for Archive Creator, which is why the 1D TIFs were not getting rotated.

So there was no problem...just the missing SDk files. He installed them and all worked well..

[Mohit]

I downloaded and reinstalled the AC SDK v5 and everything is rotated as it should be - that was it, as you theorized, thanks!

The viewing image for a 1D RAW (TIFF) can be no larger than 288x192, right?

[agavin]

Hello,

I have a similar, but not the same (not cured by the new SDK) problem with rotation. I am reposting because I never got a reply.

Thanks,


repost:

I am a registered AC user (and a ThumbsPlus user as well) and I have the same "rotated thumbnails" problem. I have both a D60 and a 10D and it only happens on images from the 10D (jpeg). I believe this is because the 10D has an orientation sensor and so its portrait images are tagged as such from the camera (in the EXIF data). I use ThumbsPlus to rotate them anyway because otherwise photoshop and other programs open them as they are in the file (incorrectly rotated). I turned on the viewing images and they are incorrectly rotated as well (the real file is correct). Thumbsplus does not change the orientation field when you rotate the images.

Are you using the EXIF orientation field to rotate the images for the thumbs and the viewing image? I would guess so from the observed results. If this is the case perhaps you should make this a check box option in the preferences. This sort of behavior is generally not desirable with JPEG's (until the day when all programs use the orientation field). However, with RAW it is "correct" because most the programs that deal with these do.

Thanks,
agavin

[gnordstrom]

I'm a bit confused.
Should the thumbnails and viewing images from EOS 10D RAW files be rotated in the index files?
I'm evaluating AC 2.0.3 and have installed Canon SDK v5 but the portrait oriented images are not rotated, ie all thumbnails and viewing images are in landscape orientation.

[iamhives]

I have the same problem. 10D raw images not autorotated even thought I have the Canon SDk installed

[iamhives]

Anyone any ideas?

[Adam Wade]

I presume that AC does not do any operations based on EXIF data (although it does allow some of it to be added in the index, so clearly it CAN look there).

I am not certain how difficult it would be to "fix" this, since I don't know what kinf of an engine AC uses to create thumbnails, and how it handles the THM files. It could be easy, or it could require a solid rewrite of a decent chunk of code.

I can live with it, myself. Would be nice to see in the future, though.

[MichaelT]

It is not hard, but must wait for next release...

[iamhives]

That's good news.

Incremental backup too I hope :)

[Ulf Widen]

I have a question about the same issue. I have just downloaded the trial and yes its the one I want. But how can I get the pictures in indexes in right orientation? I use Downloader Pro, BreezeBrowser and Photoshop CS. In these the orientation is right. Is it possible to have it right in the AC indexes too?

/Ulf

[Ulf Widen]

I forgot to mention that i shoot with Canon 10D and always in RAW-format.
/Ulf